Clues on finding a therapist for a gifted client
This is another topic I get asked about a lot… “My kid is really struggling to adjust, to make sense of himself in a world that doesn’t quite understand him. I think therapy would help, but how do I find someone who really “gets” the whole gifted thing?”
This is a huge problem. A recent publication from my esteemed mentor, Jean Peterson, showed that most accredited counselor training programs offer zero training in understanding giftedness, and those that do have only very tiny amounts of time spent on the topic. And I worry, frankly, about what is actually being taught when anything’s being taught… whether they are just continuing to promulgate the same typical myths about how gifted kids “will be just fine on their own.” There aren’t any studies yet looking at training programs for psychologists, but my sense of it is that, if anything, the situation is worse, since “gifted education” exists as a distinct field, while “gifted psychology” kinda basically doesn’t. Basically, giftedness is not considered a relevant dimension of human difference or cultural experience. Gifted folks are just like everyone else except that we got As in school and we’re all just fine. Aren’t we? <cough, cough…>
And it’s not just a problem for kids, either. Gifted adults also struggle to make sense of ourselves in a world that often isn’t even remotely a good fit. Giftedness isn’t just a school-bound phenomenon, and it doesn’t expire upon graduation — we are who we are across domains and throughout the lifespan.
I wish I had some easy answers. My dissertation research, on the therapeutic working alliance between gifted clients and their therapists, was useful in that it showed where some of the major pitfalls were. But it didn’t help with the basic problem that most therapists think they do get it (an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where the lack of knowledge and metacognitive skills in a domain interferes with accurate self-assessment of skill in a domain — basically, if you don’t know what you don’t know, you don’t know that you don’t know it). So it’s like in education: if you ask someone if they understand giftedness, they’ll all tell you they do, but that doesn’t mean a whole heck of a lot.
Plus, a lot of providers seem to think that “gifted” means “fiscally gifted,” and they see us as high-functioning clients who are likely to provide a nice revenue stream (as Tom Lehrer said, they think they’re specializing in “diseases of the rich“), so they advertise claiming this as a specialty area. We know that gifted folk are found in every social, ethnic, racial, and economic group, but, well, like I said, a lot of folks don’t know what they don’t know.
So what we need is a way to interview prospective providers to find out what they actually know, rather than what they’ll tell you they know.
I know, we’re all afraid to talk about it (I should really put up a rant about gifties as a closeted minority), but we have to. If we don’t, they won’t either — remember, they think it’s not relevant.
So, I would advise specifically bringing up the topic of giftedness and multiple exceptionality with any prospective therapist in a nonthreatening but clear way, one which focuses on observable behavior — “What experience do you have working with folks who are highly intelligent? What do you see as the major risk and resilience factors in this population? Have you found it necessary to adapt your approach in working with gifted folks? If so, how, and what is your rationale for that?”
Pay attention not just to the content of the responses, but also to the nonverbal signals and your gut feeling about how they’re responding to the notion. If you feel like you’re getting a dismissive or hostile reaction, go somewhere else and don’t feel bad about it. Really. You’re not crazy (okay, you might be, but I’m not going to diagnose you via a blog). You might be a bit hypersensitive, sure (I see that a lot, especially from adult GT folks who had educationally or socially traumatic experiences in childhood), but in the shrink biz, they teach us to pay attention to those feelings.
Ideally, I would want to hear someone spontaneously identify issues of social isolation, intense imaginations and emotions, and asynchrony between cognitive and emotional development, as all being relevant things to think about when working with gifted folks. Look up one of the many lists of myths and realities about giftedness (try this one, or this one, or this one), and if they start spouting any of these, try disagreeing gently. If you get push-back instead of thoughtful dialogue, just thank them nicely and walk.
Second choice would be someone who can at least spontaneously admit that they are not knowledgeable in the area but would be interested in self-educating. If they want to self-educate, the (btw, I would recommend the Models of Counseling Gifted Children, Adolescents, and Young Adults book, edited by Jean Peterson and Sal Medaglio, for a professional to self-educate on the topic). There are some very good materials available on the SENG (Supporting the Emotional Needs of the Gifted) website, too. Or they could call me for a short-term professional consultation — I’m thrilled to be able to spread the knowledge here.
Anyone who frames giftedness as being part of the problem, anyone who defines the intensity and drive and perceptiveness and differentness and postformal reasoning as “the thing that’s wrong with you,” leave and don’t look back. The goal is not to get our kids (or us!) to act like everyone else. The goal is to help us figure out who we are and how to act like ourselves, just in an adaptive way.
I hate to have to say it, but I really do think that therapists who work with smart folks probably should be at least reasonably smart themselves, if for no other reason than so they can follow the logic and metaphor, quick thinking, intuitive leaps, and so on. Also, I would want someone who in your initial interview seems to have some level of personal empathy with those experiences — they don’t necessarily have to have had them themselves, but it helps if they’re close enough that they didn’t experience their own intelligence as always a positive thing. Both of these showed up in my research as a very common theme in terms of what distinguished successful from unsuccessful alliances. Someone who is at least moderately bright and who is a good listener is okay for a client who is looking mainly for symptom relief, but for a client who needs a long-term mentor relationship, the respondents in my study were pretty clear on the topic… they need to be pretty smart. When you’re trying to figure out who you are and how you’re going to exist in the world, you don’t want to have to wait around for the therapist to catch up, or to feel like you’re doing all the work yourself.
Note, however, that the therapist who happens to be gifted needs to have done their own work and come to some level of acceptance and understanding of their own intelligence. If they’ve got unmetabolized “stuff,” it’s going to play out in the relationship. Some of the nastiest and most invalidating responses I’ve personally experienced or heard about in my research came from professionals who were themselves very likely to be highly intelligent. I’m not saying “contrary,” I’m saying “downright nasty.” (in the biz, we’d call those countertransference reactions).
Another reason why it helps to have someone reasonably smart so that the kid will have a harder time snowing them if they try. The research on client honesty is pretty solid across the board — therapists tend not to know what clients hide from them. I’ve heard consistent reports from GT clients that if they weren’t able to leave therapy (many child or adolescent clients don’t feel they have much choice in the matter), they were highly successful not just in stonewalling, but in outright snowing therapists who they felt didn’t empathize with them effectively (my favorite was the tweenaged client who structured her play so as to make her therapist come to certain interpretations).
In general, gifted folk don’t do as well in rigidly manualized treatments (which are, sadly, becoming extremely popular). Cognitive-behavioral techniques can be really useful as tools, but a flexible and collaborative approach is going to be key. Don’t believe the press about “evidence-based treatments.” All forms of therapy have evidence to support them, and some forms are better than others for some clients for some kinds of situations — it’s all very individual. And what the main body of evidence shows is that, as James Carville might have said, it’s the relationship, stupid.
Before you ask, no, I don’t have a giant network of people I can recommend. You can try asking me privately if I know anyone in your geographical area, and I’ll try, but no guarantees.
Aimee, great post. I’m not in a position to need counseling, but this makes LOTS of sense.
I feel like I only came to terms with many aspects of myself when I started researching giftedness (and school acceleration) in terms of my daughter. When her pediatrician said, “really, you don’t want her to start school early, all the research shows…..” I had to find the research myself. Funny how I found different stuff. It also made me really question the physician and her level of knowledge about things that she claims to know. That could really undermine a counseling relationship.
Segueing a bit:
It’s really interesting to me to have the “gifted” conversation with people. Many of the friends I identify as gifted have problems discussing gifted issues. It’s as if they are embarrassed by the whole thing. However, if we can’t discuss amongst ourselves some of the problems/issues we have, then how can we deal with them?
Maryann, thanks! Yeah, a lot of pediatricians are like educators and therapists… what they think they know isn’t actually so.
And yes, I so frequently hear attempts to disown the “gifted” label — usually the motive appears to be to avoid sounding arrogant (“Well, I was labeled gifted as a child, but…”). But I agree with you. If something so essential to one’s being is unspeakable, then what messages about it are being implicitly accepted? (And if you can’t comfortably accept your own intelligence, what are you telling your children about their intelligence?) I’ll definitely have more to say on this topic…
Great, insightful post, including the links! Is there a way to post a link to this on my FB page, to encourage others to read it?
Tamara, here’s the direct link to this posting:
http://davincilearning.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/clues-on-finding-a-therapist-for-a-gifted-client/
Hi Aimee,
Here are two proactive ideas for you and your readers.
I encouraged a favorite local therapist to attend the SENG conference several years ago. He did attend, and he has become a wonderful resource for families with gifted and 2E kids in our community. Now he presents at the conferences!
This one can be a long term project, but worthwhile if you have a highly gifted child willing to take the SAT before turning 13. The Study for Exceptional Talent provides a significant support network, including free counseling, for students who achieve a 700 or above on the Critical Reading or Mathematics sections of the SAT. Students can live anywhere in the US and do not have to be part of the Johns Hopkins Talent Search. http://cty.jhu.edu/set/index.html
Of course there is also the Davidson Institute, again providing free resources, including counseling, for highly gifted children. A benefit is that they reach out to children younger than those ready to take the SAT. However, a family may send in IQ scores and a lengthy application, only to have there child turned down. With SET, there is no application, and you know if advance if your child has qualified because the criteria are objective.
All the best,
Judy Levine
We did register my son for SET (you don’t even have to pay the talent search fees, just the SAT fees), when he scored over 700 on both math and verbal sections at the end of 6th grade. (He bombed the essay, though, having never been taught how to write one.) We haven’t noticed much support from SET. They send him a magazine which he rarely reads and ask for an annual update on what he has done—that’s about it. There is a web site, cogito.org, that has some private stuff for SET members, but I don’t think he has ever bothered with it.
We never got past downloading the Davidson Young Scholars application form. The effort of filling out the form is a much bigger barrier to getting into their program than the 99.9%ile scores needed!
Judy, thanks for the ideas! SENG, in particular, is highly relevant to this post, and I’ll incorporate it.
Aimee, I am so pleased to see this posting, and I look forward to reading your dissertation. This is such an overlooked area, as you know, and I would encourage everyone to help SENG (www.sengifted.org)in its efforts to educate psychologists, psychiatrists, clinical social workers, counselors, pediatricians, and family practitioners about giftedness. This is a real passion of mine!
James, thank you! I am currently arm-wrestling with UMI / Proquest about the dissertation distribution… My intention (and what I paid extra for) is for it to be open-access, but they appear to have, er, not quite done that.
I believe that you own the copyright to your thesis, even if you are required to let UMI have a copy. You can simply put a PDF of your thesis up as a page on wordpress.com
I am quite certain I retain copyright. It’s in boldface on the contract. I am planning to put it up in my own space, yes, but am also trying to sort things out with them, since I paid extra for the privilege of giving up my right to receive royalties.
(Ah, good. They claim to have changed it to open access status, change should take place within two days, I will check then and post about it.)
I sent them an email about that, and their response was to ask me to phone them. Gee, helpful.
I’ve updated the post to include SENG and to reflect a comment from my good friend Shulamit, making it clearer that this is about therapists for any age client. In many respects, the adults have it worse because giftedness is seen so much through the lens of school, and thus it’s barely on anyone’s radar. But we don’t stop being who we are. Although we might be able to manage to choose better-fit environments, very often we still bump up against the world. Plus, the scars of childhood all too often continue to resonate throughout the lifespan.
I recently went on a search for a general therapist for Ocelot, who is highly gifted and 2E. We did find someone, who seems to understand 2E, and is within walking distance to Ocelot’s high school, AND takes our insurance.
When I got her name, I called her and asked her for an interview session — this is common in therapy, and I strongly recommend everyone call their first therapy meeting an interview. As she talked to Ocelot, I scanned the books on her shelves (home office). I mentioned “the G-word”, and she clearly understood that being gifted is not an unmitigated blessing, but comes with its own set of problems and headaches. I mentioned Ocelot was on an IEP and she picked up the ball and talked about 2E, with no prompting from me.
I also studied her reactions as Ocelot griped about her problems — the therapist responded encouragingly, but also made clear that Ocelot was seeing only one side of the picture. I could see that Ocelot could not “snow” this therapist.
By the way, the recommendation of this therapist was from one of Ocelot’s friends. Other, more “official” recommendations didn’t pan out.
GREAT post!!!! This has been a MAJOR problem for our family – my 7 year old is Highly Gifted and has been having a very difficult time dealing with a whole bunch of “gifty” quirks – he has OE’s and is just a really dynamic kid. My husband and I are at a loss many times trying to figure out ways to meet his needs and we need help as well
Our local public school has pretty much washed their hands of him despite the fact that he has an IEP for speech/OT and gifted and we have been homeschooling going on our 3rd year so getting help through the schools is useless. Great post with great info
Belle, thanks!
Thank you for this! I appreciated the questions you proposed to ask of a new therapist. Most are well versed when it comes to answering the, “have you worked with other gifted individuals” question.
I thought it was just because I live in Hawaii that my resources for good therapists were so limited, and it often led me to question my decision to not move back to the mainland. (Now I’m in Tokyo, so they are all the more limited.) But I suppose it would have been a challenge for me anywhere.
This issue has been at the top of my list since my PG daughter (a Davidson Young Scholar) was very young. I have experienced so many horror stories with the psychological community that I don’t know where to begin. Among the most humorous was the psychiatrist who scolded me for teaching my daughter (at age 4) the facts of conception using anatomically correct terms. He warned that, like wrongly expecting more mature behavior out of kids who are inordinately tall, I was providing too much information simply because she had a strong vocabulary. “Most 4 year olds only need to know that a baby grows in her mommy’s tummy.” Not my 4 year old! I never went back to see him.
The greatest frustration for me has been the therapists who appear to judge us (as parents) for giving our daughter too much power or control. At first I was bewildered. How did I, the 5′-2″ small-framed woman who is most often criticized for being too aggressive and bossy, come off as being indulgent or meek? If I knew how to play that game I would have used it to my advantage long before now. My typical response to that now is, “I suspect your opinion of that will have changed by the time you have gotten to know her just a little bit better.”
I set out recently to find program to study psychology with a focus on issues of the gifted. To my surprise, no such programs are offered. That’s probably a good thing because I don’t really have the time to get an advanced degree and take care of my daughter’s special needs, but it sure leaves a lot to be desired for the psychological community.
I am ever grateful for SENG and all of it’s resources–I’m not sure where I would be without them, frankly. Based on the negative feedback I’ve had from psychologists, I might have determined that I am simply an incompetent parent and my daughter hopeless. Davidson has been a help in finding professionals to consult with who I am confident are knowledgable about giftedness. I too encourage professionals to study up on the subject, and recommend books, websites, etc. To my knowledge, none of the people I worked with have ever followed through on my recommendations.
I believe that in order to really educate the psychological community, there will need to be a shift in education that makes it a requirement to take some courses on gifted development. I also would advocate for mandating some continuing education in this area for professional accreditation. It appears that, unless forced to look at it in greater detail, the larger community is unwilling to change their perceptions on their own.
Janet, There are loads of adults who are shocked by the knowledge our 5 year-old has on prenatal development. At this point, I think she wants to be a midwife, obstetrician or pediatrician when she grows up (and Mom & ballerina & teacher…). When, at just 4 she started counseling one of her teachers about how to get pregnant, we had some interesting conversations with said teacher and other parents.
I think it’s hard for schools or professional organizations to mandate education on what they would consider niche specialties. Depending on your definition of “gifted” you’re looking at less than 5% of society (being generous) with issues that are directly related to giftedness. Most practitioners don’t want to focus on such a small subset. I agree that it’s important that all know that there are issues, but many counselors, psychologists & psychiatrists wouldn’t be appropriate for gifted clients even if they had taken a special class in school (going back to Aimee’s list).
Thank goodness for the people who do practice in this field
“Depending on your definition of “gifted” you’re looking at less than 5% of society (being generous) with issues that are directly related to giftedness. Most practitioners don’t want to focus on such a small subset. I agree that it’s important that all know that there are issues, but many counselors, psychologists & psychiatrists wouldn’t be appropriate for gifted clients even if they had taken a special class in school (going back to Aimee’s list).”
MaryAnn, I agree that there are no easy answers, and I don’t mean to suggest that a single class in giftedness will make the problem go away. However, using that line of reasoning (population statistics), we would then not prepare the psychological community to recognize or treat eating disorders, bi-polar disorder, or schizophrenia–all of which occur in far less than 5% of the population. Leaving giftedness out of professional training is comparable to leaving out ADHD, if you use population figures alone.
I agree that not everyone can or should specialize in this subset. Nor should everyone specialize in treating, say, substance abuse.
However, I still maintain that psychological “first responders,” i.e. school counselors, pediatricians, and general practitioners should have at least enough knowledge of this area to be able to recognize it as a contributing factor and explore it more completely when making diagnoses and treatment programs for students.
I agree with you!
More than anything, I was having a hard time with the blanket requirement. However a first-responder requirement makes *loads* of sense. Being a generalist as a specialty takes a really special & talented person.
I’m with Janet – since the vast majority of first contacts with the mental health system are with school counselors, pediatricians, adult internists, and general-practice psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, and other therapists, it is important for those folks to at least be aware of what they need to be aware of, and to have their “common wisdom” be at least moderately accurate. They’re not, and it’s not.
My doctoral program provided a broad-based training such that I can at least recognize when an issue might exist for other relatively common special populations (and I would say that anything that affects 1/20 of the population is really common in psychological terms), and such that the “common wisdom” I have is at least not going to lead me to do anything really harmful, and such that I will recognize the need to self-educate and/or make a referral when someone’s needs are outside my areas of expertise.
What I see going on in the professional world around giftedness is rather like what’s going on in the educational world — all too many practitioners think they know what they need to know, and they give out advice that is not just clueless, but actively harmful. Furthermore, I see quite a number of practitioners who seem to think that “gifted” = “wealthy and willing to self-pay for services they probably don’t actually need,” so they advertise themselves as providing services for gifted individuals even though they have no real expertise in the area. Grrr.
I will point out that it is quite common for practitioners to have specialties (usually multiple areas of specialty, often but not always related to each other), often simply by virtue of what they have “backed into” over time and what kinds of clients they’ve observed themselves being effective with. One happy client is likely to refer other similar clients, particularly when the population is itself in some way insular and/or feels vulnerable (for example, I have a colleague who quite without trying ended up with a specialty in evaluating police officers for fitness-to-return-to-duty.). Plus, when professionals send out referral requests (really common for this to happen — it is not seen in any way as an admission of weakness), someone who has a small amount of experience with something is seen as better than someone who has no experience with that, so a particular practitioner can rather quickly become the “go-to” person on a specific topic.
Thank you for writing this post, Aimee. I particularly like the section on what to look for in answers when discussing this with therapists.
This is true, but I would strongly recommend that you take the time and fill out the form ‘one paragraph’ at a time. SET kids have a higher LOG than Davidson Young Scholars in general, so it won’t be a perfect fit, but there is tons of resource to sample – including seminars with Aimee, and at least you are quite sure of getting in for all that effort. We Davidson parents, as a group, have that ‘yup-that’s how desperate I am/was’ look – I filled out the whole application. BTW – the average time for completion of that application is 1 year. I almost didn’t send mine in because I spent 6 months on it. Who knew?
Actually – I think the experience of growing up without a reasonable ‘comparison group’ describes lots of the ways that many of us are odd. I call that lack of reference group. I think this is the main reason that so many of the Gifties who are comfortable with their own self are younger sibs of Gifties. Which reminds me, Aimee – I’m waiting for that ‘Gifties as a closeted minority’ Rant. This article is terrific, but I want to read about all that energy I wasted the first 35 years of my life trying to be normal appearing.
Well, I downloaded the form 3 years in a row and even got my son an IQ test one year to see if he qualified, but I never got up the energy to fill out the whole form. Some of the questions were bizarre and unanswerable, and they changed each year. I looked over the Davidsons’ web site and read lots of “wow” messages on mailing lists from parents who had managed to get past the application barrier, and I just couldn’t see enough benefit to justify the time needed for the application.
I’m glad that the Davidsons have dedicated so much money and effort to helping very gifted kids, but I don’t really see how their efforts will help my son or me.
I should say ‘trying and failing miserably’ – it’s quite the glass closet. I found that out when I finally sat down with a few close friends and ‘came out’as Gifted formally. They already knew and were kind of relieved. Talk about example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, I had no clue what a poor job I was doing of hiding myself, I just kept working hard at it!
Which brings up the question of ‘Does Giftedness belong in the DSM-5?’ Is it a disease? A Syndrome? In general, the medical community doesn’t want to play unless there is a disease to diagnoses, treat, and hopefully cure, yes?
I don’t think that anyone would try to do counseling with an African American person without being or becoming aware of the effects of Racism. I think that there is a ‘general thoughtlessness’ in US culture about the ways and needs of young Gifties that amounts to a systematic pressure on a subgroup. Particularly the group that collects around Gifted Books, Blogs, and Events. (Plenty of very highly intelligent people find ways to pass, and never really face the effects of those pressures unless they happen to raise children who can’t or won’t ‘pass.’)
So ‘Underachievement’ or ‘Hiding how your mind works’ syndrome are more likely to get Psychological attention then just plain ‘support of struggles Gifties are likely to need.’ Glass half full/glass half empty?
Grinity
Hi Ms. Yermish,
Can you recommend anyone/anywhere that might be helpful for a GT/2E adult, with major social/emotional problems and a good (bad) amount of childhood abuse/trauma? I am 25, in the SE MA area if that’s any help to you, and I don’t have much money (in fact I don’t have any at all), because I’m unemployed and not currently in school. I don’t venture out too often, and I don’t have friends (at all) or family members who know how to support me; they do want me to feel better and whatnot but can’t afford private counseling. I know I have potential but I just don’t want to fall through the cracks. Please help me
Hm. I can recommend a couple of specific therapists I know who are a bit closer to you, but I’m not sure if they take insurance. Probably best for us to discuss this over email rather than in a public forum — feel free to email me at aimee@davincilearning.org and I’ll see if I have any ideas for you.